Current make/model successors to B13

Benjamin Rockwell benjamin_rockwell at
Wed Mar 14 17:26:03 CDT 2012

The upcoming Ford Focus ST...

Ford has come a long way since the B13 days. If you can get past the racer
boy styling, it fits the punch list pretty well.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Ivan Chou <chou.ivan at> wrote:

> Great thread, though we've gotten far away from the original NX2000 price
> question. :)
> if I may ask, what are folks' opinions of a current spiritual successor?
>  Something that continues on from the original BMW 2002 / Datsun 510
> criteria - economy pricing, sporty, sips gas, deceptively quick / stealthy
> looking.  Finally there are the "just right" criteria with the driving
> experience.  I'm talking about buttery shifts, nice seats, and SR20-like
> power band (I really miss the 3rd gear 4000-7500 RPM feel at WOT).
> To me, the closest thing is the Mazda3 sedan, and that's not saying much.
>  If we include hatches, maybe the something like the Mini Cooper S would
> apply, though they are relatively underpowered compared to vehicles in
> equivalent model years (for those who don't keep tabs, most newer minivans
> can do 0-60 mph in 7.x seconds!).  I've seen long-time list members with
> cars like the Mazdaspeed3 and Lancer Evo, but these aren't econoboxes, and
> don't have good fuel economy.  Is it so hard for car companies to replicate
> the formula?  Or maybe just not profitable?
> The upcoming 2013 Subaru BR-Z / Scion FR-S probably have the right specs,
> but they are way too flashy for me.
> Ivan
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM, <wc701lists at> wrote:
>> On 3/13/2012 6:57 AM, Greg Amy wrote:
>> > The Acura RSX-R is what the NX2000 *could* have been, had Nissan
>> > delivered it to the USA with the SR20VE, a 6-speed, and a decent
>> > interior.
>> They changed the 2005 & 06 RSX "Type S" models a lot, and they were
>> basically identical with the "R" in other countries.  The 1991 & 92 SE-R
>> seats were superb, and Car & Driver called them the "best ever" in a
>> production car till the Acura NSX (not RSX) came out.  One C&D writer
>> even bitched they were "over bolstered" - this from the mag' that
>> constantly complained about seats lacking lateral support.  The NX2k
>> seats were not as great, but I have no gripes about the interior of the
>> B13 SE-R & NX nor the RSX.  The classy yet austere interior of the RSX
>> was a lot of was sold me on it.
>> -Wayne
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