"Gregg, Daryl" wrote: > Shoehorned? its a measly 1.8 liter motor in a civic hatch thats > the same size car we have.. Just lighter with a superiour suspension. > hahaah How did I know honda lover Daryl Gregg would respond to this. It's still a sizeable weight difference. Mike lets get an SR16 and put that into a B12 chasis. Or to be nice a B13 Sentra E coupe. RK