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<DIV>Been meaning to respond for a few days, have only had time to read
emails.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Integra GS-R is somewhat in the same vein as the
B13 SE-R--or maybe even the Type R. The new SE-R, to me, isn't as far off as
some people criticize it to be. I think the "point" of the B13 SE-R was an
accessible, nimble, spunky, just-right character as-is. Not overdone anywhere,
and only brakes being questionable stock. It was light, quick, well-balanced,
and affordable, and looked very pedestrian to top it all off. Other
cars today can do most of that, but fail miserably in one of those
areas.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As far as the WRX and oversteer, I won't pretend to
know 1/5 of what Kojima knows, nor am I sure how the WRXs he's driven have been
setup, but my '06 WRX is anything but violent or even "quick" in its transitions
from under to oversteer. It does in fact understeer stock, but its open front
diff and limited-slip rear diff combine, at stock power levels anyway, to make
the car very easy to drive at the limit, with over and understeer both
available. It reminds me of my old 91 SE-R in that way, though the engines--the
2.5l turbo in the WRX, SR20VE in the SE-R--could'nt have been more
different.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think the WRX chassis is nearly as refined
as the Evo, but is extremely effective, and I'd even submit that a WRX setup
with adjustable shocks and properly aligned might even be better in
most circumstances than an STI setup, simply due to the travel and abiity
to "behave" during many different road and track transitions. It isn't
as sharp as an Evo, Elise, ITR, or even an old MR2, but if you can
get accustomed to the numb steering, learning to find the information
about grip you need with much less info than an Evo can give, it
can be brutally effective. You sometimes have to trust it, unfortunately,
instead of <EM>knowing</EM>. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>The anti-lift
kit by Whiteline helps the power-on understeer quite a bit, and at-the-limit
balance can obviously be adjusted through sway bars,alignment, tirepressure, and
the like. It won't ever be Evo-like, but it does have a big-block boxer engine,
side-and-head impact airbags, and an extremely robust build-quality for
crash-worthiness (which is what I meant by "safer").</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I got my '06 new for about $22,500, with
Nav-auto dimming mirror, spoiler, and boost gauge (though they could've kept the
boost gauge--it sucks). The 02-05 WRX is a great car, and the 06 added the
bigger engine, 17" wheels, Impreza 22B 4-piston brakes in front/2-piston in
rear, aluminum suspension arms, and some nicer interior bits. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As far as torque goes, the '06s did get the 2.5l,
which is very torquey, though as-stock is tuned oddly, peaking quickly and
abruptly, then falling off in a weird way that must be tuned out. <A
href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/jrod@buschur/WRX_Stg1.jpg">Here is
a dyno sheet</A> of an 06 stock, versus one simply reflashed with a catted
exhaust. The tiny turbo is horrible past 5k, but the 2.5l makes the torque for
sure. The worst part of the car is a fragile 3rd gear, not helped by all that
torque.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/jrod@buschur/WRX_Stg2.jpg">Here is
another</A>, only adding an intake and up-pipe. 346 ft lbs with only a flash,
exhaust, up-pipe and intake!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
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<DIV>Terry Heick</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=eric.waterman@gmail.com href="mailto:eric.waterman@gmail.com">Eric
Waterman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=wc701lists@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:wc701lists@bellsouth.net">Wayne</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=se-r@se-r-list.org
href="mailto:se-r@se-r-list.org">se-r@se-r-list.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 15, 2008 12:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: SE-R Replacement</DIV>
Our Forester when it had the stock turbo, had no lack of torque and turbo lag
was very small. With the new turbo, it has a bit more lag, but not that
bad that you have to keep the revs up for it to pass people.<BR><BR>Eric
Waterman<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Wayne <<A
href="mailto:wc701lists@bellsouth.net">wc701lists@bellsouth.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=Ih2E3d><A
href="mailto:blitzmr2@insightbb.com">blitzmr2@insightbb.com</A>
wrote:<BR>> Plain-ol WRX is extremely well-proportioned performance-wise.
Perfect performance/daily IMHO.<BR>> Safer than an Evo to boot. :
)<BR><BR></DIV>I was given a WRX for an "over night test drive" in May 2006
when I was<BR>looking for a new car. I ran the SHIT out of in in the
24 hours. I was<BR>fun off the line, but torqueless in around town
driving. It was<BR>torqueless at highway speed, too. I bought
the RSX-S instead. It's<BR>also a slug. Now considering V6
Accord, Miata or BMW 1.<BR>
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