se-r Digest, Vol 24, Issue 10

George Roffe groffe at gmail.com
Fri Jan 27 07:45:06 EST 2017 

I've gone BMW.

I'm on my second E46.  The first howled at the moon, but my touring (wagon)
is simply awesome.  LOVE the car.  I looked for it for 3 years to find a
southern car with the right options at a price that wasn't out of this
world (tourings with manual gearboxes are hard to find and expensive, a
sport package even more so).

I've also got a Z3 M Roadster.  Fun car.

My first E46 (sedan) replaced my turbo P10 that was totaled when a 19 YO
young lady hit me and sent me into another car.  Had that not happened I'd
probably still be driving the P10.

A sophomore.  Wow.  It's amazing how long this list has been around.  It's
fun to get the rare and occasional posts coming through from old friends.

BTW, yesterday, on the way to work I saw the nicest B13 I've personally
seen in a LONG time.  Can't be sure it was an SE-R, but I suspect it was
(debadged).

Geo

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Ian Lyn <ianshannon97 at msn.com> wrote:

>
> I never left. I sold my NX due to rust issues that I never fixed. That was
> back in 14 I think. I have been maintaining my 97 Maxima (which is in great
> shape in and out). I really want a clean P10 now. My baby at the time I
> joined the list is in her 2nd year at Brandeis University. Biochemistry.
> Things are well. My entire family is BMW except me.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* George Roffe <groffe at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:18:07 PM
> *To:* Ian Lyn
> *Cc:* se-r at se-r-list.org
> *Subject:* Re: se-r Digest, Vol 24, Issue 10
>
> Holy crap, THERE's a name from the past.  How're you doing mate?
>
> Geo
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Ian Lyn <ianshannon97 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Glad to see the list still active. I will get back in this game
>> somehow....
>>
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>>    1. Re: 14" tires (Kieran Lavin)
>>    2. Re: 14" tires (Brent Meints)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 19:28:31 +0000
>> From: Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com>
>> To: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "se-r at se-r-list.org" <se-r at se-r-list.org>
>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>> Message-ID:
>>         <BL2PR05MB1931080469E781178B543AFC9770 at BL2PR05MB193.namprd05
>> .prod.outlook.com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>> You're right,  I got impatient with all the emails and stopped reading
>>
>> kieran
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:03:30 PM
>> To: Kieran Lavin
>> Cc: se-r at se-r-list.org
>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>
>> No, you weren't paying enough attention - I already got tires! :) Good
>> enough was good enough (I'd rather spend money on the 911 if I have the
>> choice), and I stuck with the OE size.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
>> <mailto:kieran at kieranlavin.com>> wrote:
>>
>> You're more indecisive than my ex wife.   Just get 205/50/15s.... For the
>> 97th time
>>
>> kieran
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>>
>> on behalf of David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com<mailto:d.pertuz at gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:17:44 PM
>>
>> To: se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>
>> Update:
>>
>> I could get probably some B14 wheels from Josh Palmer, but not for a few
>> months, most likely. if I got new snows I could wait, but the current and
>> likely future lack of snow made me reluctant to drop more money on new
>> snows this winter, so new 3-season tires now became the priority. Direzzas
>> would be fun, but at $125 each from the Tire Rack I don't want to spend as
>> much money on new shoes for the SE-R as I did for new Conti DWSes for the
>> 911, so I went with good enough and got some General Altimax RT43s
>> installed this week. BFGs would have been perfect, but they're just not
>> available in our sizes any more.
>>
>> On another note, here is a clean-looking low-mileage NX in Washington
>> state: http://bellingham.craigslist.org/cto/5936077709.html
>>
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
>> <mailto:kieran at kieranlavin.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 205/50/15
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> kieran
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>>
>> on behalf of David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com<mailto:d.pertuz at gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
>> To: se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> I checked Amazon...lots of random Chinese tires, and a set of South
>> African Dunlops (?!)
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
>> <mailto:kieran at kieranlavin.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Now Mike's a terrorist with all his guns and sh*t
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> kieran
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>>
>> on behalf of Frey, Richard K <rfrey at iupui.edu<mailto:rfrey at iupui.edu>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:09 AM
>> To: se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>> Subject: RE: 14" tires
>>
>>
>> It is a long time.  Does the previous post reflect an old guy that is
>> bitchin? about the young dude on his phone? Talk about the circle of life.
>> 20 years ago it was some old guy complaining about the hooligan that was
>> ?winding it out in second gear?  in the next lane in some Nissan.  If fact,
>> you were just going 2nd to 4th and wanted some extra rpm due to your 3 gear
>> pop out.  :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Seriously, Thanks for this listserv as it has taught me so much.  My
>> knowledge about turbos went from infancy to usable due to the time that
>> Mike Kojima and others invested in teaching us lurkers.  Many thanks.  I
>> also learned a bunch about suspensions here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: se-r [mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-
>> list.org <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org%3Cmailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>>]
>> On Behalf Of David Pertuz
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:42 PM
>> To: Jaret Rapp
>> Cc: se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed! I am sort of amazed that I have had my car for almost 24 years
>> now.
>>
>> I was nearly rear-ended at a stop sign the last time I drove my SE-R (by,
>> as expected, a young dude who wasn't paying attention because he was gazing
>> into his phone or whatever). If that had happened it would have obviously
>> totalled the car and, I would have been very sad for it, but would have
>> eventually gotten over it. Then I would have been able to immediately start
>> seriously shopping for a non-boring replacement for my boring appliance
>> car. but I just can't bear to get rid of the SE-R!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Jaret Rapp via se-r <se-r at se-r-list.org
>> <mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org>> wrote:
>>
>> btw, not for nothing, do you all realize this list is still alive after
>> 26 years!!!  And some of us still have their original SE-R!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com<mailto:d.pertuz at gmail.com>>
>> To: Christopher Scarpulla <cscarpulla at gmail.com<mailto:c
>> scarpulla at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: se-r <se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 5:29 pm
>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>
>> Yeah, I just saw those again today. A bit mixed on whether I want to put
>> tires like that on. Even when it comes to high-performance tires, which is
>> what I'd prefer, I'd rather have all-seasons for the rain traction and
>> grip. And if it is cold but not yet snowy, I'd rather leave normal tires
>> on, but summer tires are terrible in cold weather. I still remember sliding
>> through a red light in Detroit at 15mph because I couldn't stop due to
>> being on a thin coat of snow on summer tires on the car I was driving.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Christopher Scarpulla <
>> cscarpulla at gmail.com<mailto:cscarpulla at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>>
>>
>> Tire Rack has these little beauties.
>>
>>
>>
>> DIREZZA ZII STAR SPEC<http://www.tirerack.com/t
>> ires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=Direzza+ZII+Star+
>> Spec&partnum=86HR4Z2SS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes>
>>
>> Extreme Performance Summer
>>
>> Size: 185/60R14 82H
>>
>>
>>
>> And as far as 195 or 205/50-15's go, I think we can thank the early Miata
>> crowd for keeping the manufacturers pumping out a good supply of them.
>>
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:32:47 -0500
>> From: Brent Meints <brent.meints at gmail.com>
>> To: Christopher Scarpulla <cscarpulla at gmail.com>
>> Cc: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>,  "se-r at se-r-list.org"
>>         <se-r at se-r-list.org>
>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CANCd6-fp=Wwq1w+GkiSM-3vcW+HFi8kR_ghaBvsiPP68oh+3Xg at mail.gm
>> ail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> We run Continental DW or DWS on everything as well.  Such a great tire.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Scarpulla <
>> cscarpulla at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Continental is coming out with a new version of their excellent DW tires
>> > (which I run on basically everything), and lucky for us, they're going
>> to
>> > make it in a 205-50/15.
>> >
>> > Here's a thread talking about it on miata.net
>> > https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=630864
>> >
>> >
>> > And a snippet of that thread from Andy Hollis, who's been GRM go-to guy
>> > for tire testing.
>> >
>> > ************************
>> > Quote:
>> > Originally Posted by *Gene Stanley* [image: View Post]
>> > <https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?p=8344715#post8344715>
>> > In the current issue of Grassroots Motorsports (Feb 2017) in the new
>> > product news section the Extreme Contact Sport was featured. The article
>> > did mention that the sidewall stiffness is increased by 20%. The tire
>> was
>> > "experienced" by GRM at a private track in Palm Springs, CA. The article
>> > continued to relate that 72 sizes would be released all at once this
>> spring
>> > and specifically mentioned 205/50R15 and 205/45R16 sizes for Miata and
>> > Honda. Pricing to be similar to the outgoing DW.
>> > That was me.
>> >
>> > And I just finished an autocross and skid pad test of these tires over
>> the
>> > weekend against the Michelin PSS on my ND. Waiting for my local track to
>> > fully dry out from recent rains to do high speed track testing.
>> >
>> > These will be VERY relevant tires for NA/NB Miata owners as a one-tire,
>> > triple-duty solution (street, track, autocross) in all conditions (wet,
>> > dry, cold, hot) above about 35 degrees or so.
>> >
>> > In short, anywhere you'd have considered a PSS you should now consider
>> the
>> > Conti Sport. And since the Sport comes in 23" tall sizes (205/50-15 &
>> > 205/45-16) while the PSS does not, it's a big win for NA/NB Miata
>> owners.
>> > ************************
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:17 PM, David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Update:
>> >>
>> >> I could get probably some B14 wheels from Josh Palmer, but not for a
>> few
>> >> months, most likely. if I got new snows I could wait, but the current
>> and
>> >> likely future lack of snow made me reluctant to drop more money on new
>> >> snows this winter, so new 3-season tires now became the priority.
>> Direzzas
>> >> would be fun, but at $125 each from the Tire Rack I don't want to
>> spend as
>> >> much money on new shoes for the SE-R as I did for new Conti DWSes for
>> the
>> >> 911, so I went with good enough and got some General Altimax RT43s
>> >> installed this week. BFGs would have been perfect, but they're just not
>> >> available in our sizes any more.
>> >>
>> >> On another note, here is a clean-looking low-mileage NX in Washington
>> >> state: http://bellingham.craigslist.org/cto/5936077709.html
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >> Chicago
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> 205/50/15
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> kieran
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>> *From:* se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org> on behalf of David Pertuz <
>> >>> d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
>> >>> *To:* se-r at se-r-list.org
>> >>> *Subject:* Re: 14" tires
>> >>>
>> >>> LOL.
>> >>>
>> >>> I checked Amazon...lots of random Chinese tires, and a set of South
>> >>> African Dunlops (?!)
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Now Mike's a terrorist with all his guns and sh*t
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> kieran
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ------------------------------
>> >>>> *From:* se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org> on behalf of Frey,
>> Richard K
>> >>>> <rfrey at iupui.edu>
>> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:09 AM
>> >>>> *To:* se-r at se-r-list.org
>> >>>> *Subject:* RE: 14" tires
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It is a long time.  Does the previous post reflect an old guy that is
>> >>>> bitchin? about the young dude on his phone? Talk about the circle of
>> life.
>> >>>> 20 years ago it was some old guy complaining about the hooligan that
>> was
>> >>>> ?winding it out in second gear?  in the next lane in some Nissan.
>> If fact,
>> >>>> you were just going 2nd to 4th and wanted some extra rpm due to your
>> 3
>> >>>> gear pop out.  J
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Seriously, Thanks for this listserv as it has taught me so much.  My
>> >>>> knowledge about turbos went from infancy to usable due to the time
>> that
>> >>>> Mike Kojima and others invested in teaching us lurkers.  Many
>> thanks.  I
>> >>>> also learned a bunch about suspensions here.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *From:* se-r [mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org
>> <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>] *On Behalf Of *David
>> >>>> Pertuz
>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:42 PM
>> >>>> *To:* Jaret Rapp
>> >>>> *Cc:* se-r at se-r-list.org
>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: 14" tires
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Indeed! I am sort of amazed that I have had my car for almost 24
>> years
>> >>>> now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I was nearly rear-ended at a stop sign the last time I drove my SE-R
>> >>>> (by, as expected, a young dude who wasn't paying attention because
>> he was
>> >>>> gazing into his phone or whatever). If that had happened it would
>> have
>> >>>> obviously totalled the car and, I would have been very sad for it,
>> but
>> >>>> would have eventually gotten over it. Then I would have been able to
>> >>>> immediately start seriously shopping for a non-boring replacement
>> for my
>> >>>> boring appliance car. but I just can't bear to get rid of the SE-R!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Jaret Rapp via se-r <
>> >>>> se-r at se-r-list.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> btw, not for nothing, do you all realize this list is still alive
>> after
>> >>>> 26 years!!!  And some of us still have their original SE-R!!!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: Christopher Scarpulla <cscarpulla at gmail.com>
>> >>>> Cc: se-r <se-r at se-r-list.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 5:29 pm
>> >>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yeah, I just saw those again today. A bit mixed on whether I want to
>> >>>> put tires like that on. Even when it comes to high-performance
>> tires, which
>> >>>> is what I'd prefer, I'd rather have all-seasons for the rain
>> traction and
>> >>>> grip. And if it is cold but not yet snowy, I'd rather leave normal
>> tires
>> >>>> on, but summer tires are terrible in cold weather. I still remember
>> sliding
>> >>>> through a red light in Detroit at 15mph because I couldn't stop due
>> to
>> >>>> being on a thin coat of snow on summer tires on the car I was
>> driving.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Christopher Scarpulla <
>> >>>> cscarpulla at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tire Rack has these little beauties.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> DIREZZA ZII STAR SPEC
>> >>>> <http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&
>> tireModel=Direzza+ZII+Star+Spec&partnum=86HR4Z2SS&vehicle
>> Search=false&fromCompare1=yes>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Extreme Performance Summer
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Size: 185/60R14 82H
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And as far as 195 or 205/50-15's go, I think we can thank the early
>> >>>> Miata crowd for keeping the manufacturers pumping out a good supply
>> of them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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>> --
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>>
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