se-r.net web site
Stefan Bauroth
sbauroth at hotmail.com
Wed Sep 4 20:20:33 EDT 2013
Another "OG" old fart checking in here.
I kind of miss se-r.net but then again we have to face reality, who really would check it anymore?
Back in the day I would visit all the time, these days... I probably haven't attempted to look at it in over seven years.
Times have changed... Maybe it can live on through a forum in a "Nostalgia" section - you know, show the kids how things
used to be.
I still enjoy reading this mailing list though and remember, some B13's are soon going to be
25 year old true "classics." In October it will be 21 years of ownership for me.
-Stefan
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> 1. Re: se-r.net web site (Matt Hunt)
> 2. Re: se-r.net web site (George Roffe)
> 3. Re: se-r.net web site (Torry Skurski)
> 4. RE: se-r.net web site (Fancher, Jim)
> 5. Re: se-r.net web site (George Roffe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 13:54:14 -0400
> From: Matt Hunt <mhunt at ecin.net>
> Subject: Re: se-r.net web site
> To: Torry Skurski <ezcheese15 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "se-r at se-r-list.org" <se-r at se-r-list.org>, "lweeks at anabasis.net"
> <lweeks at anabasis.net>
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> If only NICO was kind enough to ask me if it was okay to copy tech info,
> verbatim, from my old forum without any link or citation. I'd guess the
> SE-R net link referrals to the info are more valuable to NICO than the
> info itself.
>
> Sorry, still have a bad taste in my mouth after all these years with the
> NICO crew. Nothing personal, Torry.
>
> matt
>
>
> On 9/4/13 11:52 AM, Torry Skurski wrote:
> > Larry, we (as in www.nicoclub.com <http://www.nicoclub.com/>) are very
> > interested in reviving the site. Of course, we???d like to incorporate
> > all the useful articles into our own FAQ/tech article section, but the
> > point is that we would scrub it for content and update it, then redirect
> > the domain to our Sentra technical article section on NICO. Please let
> > me know if we can work something out with you.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 13:00:53 -0500
> From: George Roffe <geo31 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: se-r.net web site
> To: Matt Hunt <mhunt at ecin.net>, Torry Skurski <ezcheese15 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "se-r at se-r-list.org" <se-r at se-r-list.org>, "lweeks at anabasis.net"
> <lweeks at anabasis.net>
> Message-ID: <20130904130053.LWINY.174867.root at txifep01>
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> Well, since Matt has spoken up (way to pee in the punchbowl Matt ;-)...
> I have to admit that when I heard of the idea of NICO taking content from SE-R.net I wasn't too crazy about it. Maybe I'm nuts (probably am), but the content I created and contributed to SE-R.net was out of my love for that community. I have NO relationship with NICO and I don't like the idea of them using my intellectual property, especially without expressed written consent.
> George Roffe
> King Turd
>
> ---- Matt Hunt <mhunt at ecin.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> If only NICO was kind enough to ask me if it was okay to copy tech info,
> verbatim, from my old forum without any link or citation. I'd guess the
> SE-R net link referrals to the info are more valuable to NICO than the
> info itself.
>
> Sorry, still have a bad taste in my mouth after all these years with the
> NICO crew. Nothing personal, Torry.
>
> matt
>
>
> On 9/4/13 11:52 AM, Torry Skurski wrote:
> > Larry, we (as in www.nicoclub.com <http://www.nicoclub.com/>) are very
> > interested in reviving the site. Of course, we???d like to incorporate
> > all the useful articles into our own FAQ/tech article section, but the
> > point is that we would scrub it for content and update it, then redirect
> > the domain to our Sentra technical article section on NICO. Please let
> > me know if we can work something out with you.
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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:11:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Torry Skurski <ezcheese15 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: se-r.net web site
> To: George Roffe <geo31 at suddenlink.net>, Matt Hunt <mhunt at ecin.net>
> Cc: "se-r at se-r-list.org" <se-r at se-r-list.org>, "lweeks at anabasis.net"
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> I still don't know what NICO took from either the forums or se-r.net without at least citing it. ?Not saying it didn't happen, I just wasn't involved with it or know what content it was that either of you are referring to. ?As far as I know, we always leave the contributing author listed on the article so it's no secret who wrote it. ?As far as citing SE-R.net specifically, maybe it's just me, but I think it would be pointless if the site goes away to reference it. ?Keeping the author on there on the other hand is completely reasonable and respectful.
>
> And Geo, as far as you having no relationship with NICO, I understand your point. ?However, I'm just trying to make the valuable information contributed by you (as well as many others) live on in a site that is still very active. ?I know you wrote it *for* se-r.net, but the site is essentially dead, so why not share the info somewhere that it will actually get read? ?Just food for thought.
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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:14:12 +0000
> From: "Fancher, Jim" <Jim.Fancher at MCFA.COM>
> Subject: RE: se-r.net web site
> To: George Roffe <geo31 at suddenlink.net>, Matt Hunt <mhunt at ecin.net>,
> "Torry Skurski" <ezcheese15 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "se-r at se-r-list.org" <se-r at se-r-list.org>, "lweeks at anabasis.net"
> <lweeks at anabasis.net>
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> What?s the story with se-r.net? Was it looking for a home?
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> From: se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org [mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org] On Behalf Of George Roffe
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 1:01 PM
> To: Matt Hunt; Torry Skurski
> Cc: se-r at se-r-list.org; lweeks at anabasis.net
> Subject: Re: se-r.net web site
>
>
> Well, since Matt has spoken up (way to pee in the punchbowl Matt ;-)...
>
> I have to admit that when I heard of the idea of NICO taking content from SE-R.net I wasn't too crazy about it. Maybe I'm nuts (probably am), but the content I created and contributed to SE-R.net was out of my love for that community. I have NO relationship with NICO and I don't like the idea of them using my intellectual property, especially without expressed written consent.
>
> George Roffe
>
> King Turd
>
> ---- Matt Hunt <mhunt at ecin.net<mailto:mhunt at ecin.net>> wrote:
>
> =============
> If only NICO was kind enough to ask me if it was okay to copy tech info,
> verbatim, from my old forum without any link or citation. I'd guess the
> SE-R net link referrals to the info are more valuable to NICO than the
> info itself.
>
> Sorry, still have a bad taste in my mouth after all these years with the
> NICO crew. Nothing personal, Torry.
>
> matt
>
>
> On 9/4/13 11:52 AM, Torry Skurski wrote:
> > Larry, we (as in www.nicoclub.com<http://www.nicoclub.com> <http://www.nicoclub.com/>) are very
> > interested in reviving the site. Of course, we???d like to incorporate
> > all the useful articles into our own FAQ/tech article section, but the
> > point is that we would scrub it for content and update it, then redirect
> > the domain to our Sentra technical article section on NICO. Please let
> > me know if we can work something out with you.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 13:32:57 -0500
> From: George Roffe <geo31 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: se-r.net web site
> To: Matt Hunt <mhunt at ecin.net>, Torry Skurski <ezcheese15 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "se-r at se-r-list.org" <se-r at se-r-list.org>, "lweeks at anabasis.net"
> <lweeks at anabasis.net>
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> Torry,
> I'm not saying you were involved. If you were, I'd have a private discussion about it with you.
> Citation does NOT matter when someone co-ops (nice way of saying stealing) someone else's intellectual property. Copyright laws are quite clear and the creator of the content owns the rights unless they have been specifically assigned to someone else.
> In the case of preserving my content, it's something I would certainly consider on a case by case basis. Whatever reasons I may have for sharing or not sharing content are mine alone, and yes, subject to whim. My whim. I'll be honest, if I found my IP presented on someone's site that didn't ask me first, they likely would receive a letter from a lawyer, and since that costs money, I'd be demanding money. Hard core? Perhaps. But publishing on the web does NOT constitute public domain.
> Geo
>
> ---- Torry Skurski <ezcheese15 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> =============
> I still don't know what NICO took from either the forums or se-r.net without at least citing it. ?Not saying it didn't happen, I just wasn't involved with it or know what content it was that either of you are referring to. ?As far as I know, we always leave the contributing author listed on the article so it's no secret who wrote it. ?As far as citing SE-R.net specifically, maybe it's just me, but I think it would be pointless if the site goes away to reference it. ?Keeping the author on there on the other hand is completely reasonable and respectful.
> And Geo, as far as you having no relationship with NICO, I understand your point. ?However, I'm just trying to make the valuable information contributed by you (as well as many others) live on in a site that is still very active. ?I know you wrote it *for* se-r.net, but the site is essentially dead, so why not share the info somewhere that it will actually get read? ?Just food for thought.
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