Re: Current make/model successors to B13

Wed Mar 14 01:26:05 CDT 2012

I think the closest spiritual successor would be the Civic Si.  As did the SE-R, its based on a compact car, its got all the right specs, isn't expensive, certainly not flashy, and has what I am sure is the fun to drive quotient.

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From: "Ivan Chou" <chou.ivan at gmail.com>
To: <se-r at se-r-list.org>
Subject: Current make/model successors to B13
Date: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 12:08 am
Great thread, though we've gotten far away from the original NX2000 price question. :)
if I may ask, what are folks' opinions of a current spiritual successor?  Something that continues on from the original BMW 2002 / Datsun 510 criteria - economy pricing, sporty, sips gas, deceptively quick / stealthy looking.  Finally there are the "just right" criteria with the driving experience.  I'm talking about buttery shifts, nice seats, and SR20-like power band (I really miss the 3rd gear 4000-7500 RPM feel at WOT).

To me, the closest thing is the Mazda3 sedan, and that's not saying much.  If we include hatches, maybe the something like the Mini Cooper S would apply, though they are relatively underpowered compared to vehicles in equivalent model years (for those who don't keep tabs, most newer minivans can do 0-60 mph in 7.x seconds!).  I've seen long-time list members with cars like the Mazdaspeed3 and Lancer Evo, but these aren't econoboxes, and don't have good fuel economy.  Is it so hard for car companies to replicate the formula?  Or maybe just not profitable?  

The upcoming 2013 Subaru BR-Z / Scion FR-S probably have the right specs, but they are way too flashy for me. 
Ivan

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM,  <wc701lists at bellsouth.net> wrote:

On 3/13/2012 6:57 AM, Greg Amy wrote:

> The Acura RSX-R is what the NX2000 *could* have been, had Nissan

> delivered it to the USA with the SR20VE, a 6-speed, and a decent

> interior.

They changed the 2005 & 06 RSX "Type S" models a lot, and they were

basically identical with the "R" in other countries.  The 1991 & 92 SE-R

seats were superb, and Car & Driver called them the "best ever" in a

production car till the Acura NSX (not RSX) came out.  One C&D writer

even bitched they were "over bolstered" - this from the mag' that

constantly complained about seats lacking lateral support.  The NX2k

seats were not as great, but I have no gripes about the interior of the

B13 SE-R & NX nor the RSX.  The classy yet austere interior of the RSX

was a lot of was sold me on it.

-Wayne

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