> Neither do I. I can't speak for all, but some of us actually ARE > upstanding individuals! And we can appreciate BOTH cars. Oh I'm just talking about the rice boys. I know the real Honda crowd is a whole other culture. It's not like I didn't enjoy going around Limerock in a "Type-R Civic Hatch" with the tach bouncing off 9,000rpm. ;-) Jay Hassinger B13