se-r Digest, Vol 24, Issue 10

Christopher Scarpulla cscarpulla at gmail.com
Fri Jan 27 19:37:45 EST 2017 

Anything with a OBDII is a 'new' car to me.

Hey Ian!

On Jan 27, 2017 6:29 PM, "Ian Lyn" <ianshannon97 at msn.com> wrote:

> SR20 is still in my heart. Family changes have put it to the side but I am
> not going anywhere. Just to find a clean B13...I may have to go B14 or P10.
> Maybe a P11. I just want to avoid the OBD2. (Man I just can't let go as if
> it were yesterday)
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* George Roffe <groffe at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2017 7:45 AM
> *To:* Ian Lyn
> *Cc:* se-r at se-r-list.org
> *Subject:* Re: se-r Digest, Vol 24, Issue 10
>
> I've gone BMW.
>
> I'm on my second E46.  The first howled at the moon, but my touring
> (wagon) is simply awesome.  LOVE the car.  I looked for it for 3 years to
> find a southern car with the right options at a price that wasn't out of
> this world (tourings with manual gearboxes are hard to find and expensive,
> a sport package even more so).
>
> I've also got a Z3 M Roadster.  Fun car.
>
> My first E46 (sedan) replaced my turbo P10 that was totaled when a 19 YO
> young lady hit me and sent me into another car.  Had that not happened I'd
> probably still be driving the P10.
>
> A sophomore.  Wow.  It's amazing how long this list has been around.  It's
> fun to get the rare and occasional posts coming through from old friends.
>
> BTW, yesterday, on the way to work I saw the nicest B13 I've personally
> seen in a LONG time.  Can't be sure it was an SE-R, but I suspect it was
> (debadged).
>
> Geo
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Ian Lyn <ianshannon97 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I never left. I sold my NX due to rust issues that I never fixed. That
>> was back in 14 I think. I have been maintaining my 97 Maxima (which is in
>> great shape in and out). I really want a clean P10 now. My baby at the time
>> I joined the list is in her 2nd year at Brandeis University. Biochemistry.
>> Things are well. My entire family is BMW except me.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* George Roffe <groffe at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:18:07 PM
>> *To:* Ian Lyn
>> *Cc:* se-r at se-r-list.org
>> *Subject:* Re: se-r Digest, Vol 24, Issue 10
>>
>> Holy crap, THERE's a name from the past.  How're you doing mate?
>>
>> Geo
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Ian Lyn <ianshannon97 at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Glad to see the list still active. I will get back in this game
>>> somehow....
>>>
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>>>    1. Re: 14" tires (Kieran Lavin)
>>>    2. Re: 14" tires (Brent Meints)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 19:28:31 +0000
>>> From: Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com>
>>> To: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "se-r at se-r-list.org" <se-r at se-r-list.org>
>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> .prod.outlook.com>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>
>>> You're right,  I got impatient with all the emails and stopped reading
>>>
>>> kieran
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:03:30 PM
>>> To: Kieran Lavin
>>> Cc: se-r at se-r-list.org
>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>>
>>> No, you weren't paying enough attention - I already got tires! :) Good
>>> enough was good enough (I'd rather spend money on the 911 if I have the
>>> choice), and I stuck with the OE size.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
>>> <mailto:kieran at kieranlavin.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You're more indecisive than my ex wife.   Just get 205/50/15s.... For
>>> the 97th time
>>>
>>> kieran
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>>
>>> on behalf of David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com<mailto:d.pertuz at gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:17:44 PM
>>>
>>> To: se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>>
>>> Update:
>>>
>>> I could get probably some B14 wheels from Josh Palmer, but not for a few
>>> months, most likely. if I got new snows I could wait, but the current and
>>> likely future lack of snow made me reluctant to drop more money on new
>>> snows this winter, so new 3-season tires now became the priority. Direzzas
>>> would be fun, but at $125 each from the Tire Rack I don't want to spend as
>>> much money on new shoes for the SE-R as I did for new Conti DWSes for the
>>> 911, so I went with good enough and got some General Altimax RT43s
>>> installed this week. BFGs would have been perfect, but they're just not
>>> available in our sizes any more.
>>>
>>> On another note, here is a clean-looking low-mileage NX in Washington
>>> state: http://bellingham.craigslist.org/cto/5936077709.html
>>>
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
>>> <mailto:kieran at kieranlavin.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 205/50/15
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> kieran
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>>
>>> on behalf of David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com<mailto:d.pertuz at gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
>>> To: se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>>
>>> LOL.
>>>
>>> I checked Amazon...lots of random Chinese tires, and a set of South
>>> African Dunlops (?!)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
>>> <mailto:kieran at kieranlavin.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Now Mike's a terrorist with all his guns and sh*t
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> kieran
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>>
>>> on behalf of Frey, Richard K <rfrey at iupui.edu<mailto:rfrey at iupui.edu>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:09 AM
>>> To: se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>>> Subject: RE: 14" tires
>>>
>>>
>>> It is a long time.  Does the previous post reflect an old guy that is
>>> bitchin? about the young dude on his phone? Talk about the circle of life.
>>> 20 years ago it was some old guy complaining about the hooligan that was
>>> ?winding it out in second gear?  in the next lane in some Nissan.  If fact,
>>> you were just going 2nd to 4th and wanted some extra rpm due to your 3 gear
>>> pop out.  :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seriously, Thanks for this listserv as it has taught me so much.  My
>>> knowledge about turbos went from infancy to usable due to the time that
>>> Mike Kojima and others invested in teaching us lurkers.  Many thanks.  I
>>> also learned a bunch about suspensions here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: se-r [mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-
>>> list.org
>>> <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org%3Cmailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>>] On
>>> Behalf Of David Pertuz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:42 PM
>>> To: Jaret Rapp
>>> Cc: se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed! I am sort of amazed that I have had my car for almost 24 years
>>> now.
>>>
>>> I was nearly rear-ended at a stop sign the last time I drove my SE-R
>>> (by, as expected, a young dude who wasn't paying attention because he was
>>> gazing into his phone or whatever). If that had happened it would have
>>> obviously totalled the car and, I would have been very sad for it, but
>>> would have eventually gotten over it. Then I would have been able to
>>> immediately start seriously shopping for a non-boring replacement for my
>>> boring appliance car. but I just can't bear to get rid of the SE-R!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Jaret Rapp via se-r <se-r at se-r-list.org
>>> <mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> btw, not for nothing, do you all realize this list is still alive after
>>> 26 years!!!  And some of us still have their original SE-R!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com<mailto:d.pertuz at gmail.com>>
>>> To: Christopher Scarpulla <cscarpulla at gmail.com<mailto:c
>>> scarpulla at gmail.com>>
>>> Cc: se-r <se-r at se-r-list.org<mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 5:29 pm
>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>>
>>> Yeah, I just saw those again today. A bit mixed on whether I want to put
>>> tires like that on. Even when it comes to high-performance tires, which is
>>> what I'd prefer, I'd rather have all-seasons for the rain traction and
>>> grip. And if it is cold but not yet snowy, I'd rather leave normal tires
>>> on, but summer tires are terrible in cold weather. I still remember sliding
>>> through a red light in Detroit at 15mph because I couldn't stop due to
>>> being on a thin coat of snow on summer tires on the car I was driving.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Christopher Scarpulla <
>>> cscarpulla at gmail.com<mailto:cscarpulla at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tire Rack has these little beauties.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DIREZZA ZII STAR SPEC<http://www.tirerack.com/t
>>> ires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=Direzza+ZII+Star+Sp
>>> ec&partnum=86HR4Z2SS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes>
>>>
>>> Extreme Performance Summer
>>>
>>> Size: 185/60R14 82H
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And as far as 195 or 205/50-15's go, I think we can thank the early
>>> Miata crowd for keeping the manufacturers pumping out a good supply of them.
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:32:47 -0500
>>> From: Brent Meints <brent.meints at gmail.com>
>>> To: Christopher Scarpulla <cscarpulla at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>,  "se-r at se-r-list.org"
>>>         <se-r at se-r-list.org>
>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> ail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> We run Continental DW or DWS on everything as well.  Such a great tire.
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Christopher Scarpulla <
>>> cscarpulla at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Continental is coming out with a new version of their excellent DW
>>> tires
>>> > (which I run on basically everything), and lucky for us, they're going
>>> to
>>> > make it in a 205-50/15.
>>> >
>>> > Here's a thread talking about it on miata.net
>>> > https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=630864
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > And a snippet of that thread from Andy Hollis, who's been GRM go-to guy
>>> > for tire testing.
>>> >
>>> > ************************
>>> > Quote:
>>> > Originally Posted by *Gene Stanley* [image: View Post]
>>> > <https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?p=8344715#post8344715>
>>> > In the current issue of Grassroots Motorsports (Feb 2017) in the new
>>> > product news section the Extreme Contact Sport was featured. The
>>> article
>>> > did mention that the sidewall stiffness is increased by 20%. The tire
>>> was
>>> > "experienced" by GRM at a private track in Palm Springs, CA. The
>>> article
>>> > continued to relate that 72 sizes would be released all at once this
>>> spring
>>> > and specifically mentioned 205/50R15 and 205/45R16 sizes for Miata and
>>> > Honda. Pricing to be similar to the outgoing DW.
>>> > That was me.
>>> >
>>> > And I just finished an autocross and skid pad test of these tires over
>>> the
>>> > weekend against the Michelin PSS on my ND. Waiting for my local track
>>> to
>>> > fully dry out from recent rains to do high speed track testing.
>>> >
>>> > These will be VERY relevant tires for NA/NB Miata owners as a one-tire,
>>> > triple-duty solution (street, track, autocross) in all conditions (wet,
>>> > dry, cold, hot) above about 35 degrees or so.
>>> >
>>> > In short, anywhere you'd have considered a PSS you should now consider
>>> the
>>> > Conti Sport. And since the Sport comes in 23" tall sizes (205/50-15 &
>>> > 205/45-16) while the PSS does not, it's a big win for NA/NB Miata
>>> owners.
>>> > ************************
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:17 PM, David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Update:
>>> >>
>>> >> I could get probably some B14 wheels from Josh Palmer, but not for a
>>> few
>>> >> months, most likely. if I got new snows I could wait, but the current
>>> and
>>> >> likely future lack of snow made me reluctant to drop more money on new
>>> >> snows this winter, so new 3-season tires now became the priority.
>>> Direzzas
>>> >> would be fun, but at $125 each from the Tire Rack I don't want to
>>> spend as
>>> >> much money on new shoes for the SE-R as I did for new Conti DWSes for
>>> the
>>> >> 911, so I went with good enough and got some General Altimax RT43s
>>> >> installed this week. BFGs would have been perfect, but they're just
>>> not
>>> >> available in our sizes any more.
>>> >>
>>> >> On another note, here is a clean-looking low-mileage NX in Washington
>>> >> state: http://bellingham.craigslist.org/cto/5936077709.html
>>> >>
>>> >> David
>>> >> Chicago
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kieran Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> 205/50/15
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> kieran
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ------------------------------
>>> >>> *From:* se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org> on behalf of David Pertuz
>>> <
>>> >>> d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:51 AM
>>> >>> *To:* se-r at se-r-list.org
>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: 14" tires
>>> >>>
>>> >>> LOL.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I checked Amazon...lots of random Chinese tires, and a set of South
>>> >>> African Dunlops (?!)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Kieran Lavin <
>>> kieran at kieranlavin.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Now Mike's a terrorist with all his guns and sh*t
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> kieran
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ------------------------------
>>> >>>> *From:* se-r <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org> on behalf of Frey,
>>> Richard K
>>> >>>> <rfrey at iupui.edu>
>>> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:09 AM
>>> >>>> *To:* se-r at se-r-list.org
>>> >>>> *Subject:* RE: 14" tires
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> It is a long time.  Does the previous post reflect an old guy that
>>> is
>>> >>>> bitchin? about the young dude on his phone? Talk about the circle
>>> of life.
>>> >>>> 20 years ago it was some old guy complaining about the hooligan
>>> that was
>>> >>>> ?winding it out in second gear?  in the next lane in some Nissan.
>>> If fact,
>>> >>>> you were just going 2nd to 4th and wanted some extra rpm due to
>>> your 3
>>> >>>> gear pop out.  J
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Seriously, Thanks for this listserv as it has taught me so much.  My
>>> >>>> knowledge about turbos went from infancy to usable due to the time
>>> that
>>> >>>> Mike Kojima and others invested in teaching us lurkers.  Many
>>> thanks.  I
>>> >>>> also learned a bunch about suspensions here.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> *From:* se-r [mailto:se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org
>>> <se-r-bounces at se-r-list.org>] *On Behalf Of *David
>>> >>>> Pertuz
>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:42 PM
>>> >>>> *To:* Jaret Rapp
>>> >>>> *Cc:* se-r at se-r-list.org
>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: 14" tires
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Indeed! I am sort of amazed that I have had my car for almost 24
>>> years
>>> >>>> now.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I was nearly rear-ended at a stop sign the last time I drove my SE-R
>>> >>>> (by, as expected, a young dude who wasn't paying attention because
>>> he was
>>> >>>> gazing into his phone or whatever). If that had happened it would
>>> have
>>> >>>> obviously totalled the car and, I would have been very sad for it,
>>> but
>>> >>>> would have eventually gotten over it. Then I would have been able to
>>> >>>> immediately start seriously shopping for a non-boring replacement
>>> for my
>>> >>>> boring appliance car. but I just can't bear to get rid of the SE-R!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Jaret Rapp via se-r <
>>> >>>> se-r at se-r-list.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> btw, not for nothing, do you all realize this list is still alive
>>> after
>>> >>>> 26 years!!!  And some of us still have their original SE-R!!!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: David Pertuz <d.pertuz at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> To: Christopher Scarpulla <cscarpulla at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> Cc: se-r <se-r at se-r-list.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 5:29 pm
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: 14" tires
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Yeah, I just saw those again today. A bit mixed on whether I want to
>>> >>>> put tires like that on. Even when it comes to high-performance
>>> tires, which
>>> >>>> is what I'd prefer, I'd rather have all-seasons for the rain
>>> traction and
>>> >>>> grip. And if it is cold but not yet snowy, I'd rather leave normal
>>> tires
>>> >>>> on, but summer tires are terrible in cold weather. I still remember
>>> sliding
>>> >>>> through a red light in Detroit at 15mph because I couldn't stop due
>>> to
>>> >>>> being on a thin coat of snow on summer tires on the car I was
>>> driving.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Christopher Scarpulla <
>>> >>>> cscarpulla at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> David,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Tire Rack has these little beauties.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> DIREZZA ZII STAR SPEC
>>> >>>> <http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tir
>>> eModel=Direzza+ZII+Star+Spec&partnum=86HR4Z2SS&vehicleSearc
>>> h=false&fromCompare1=yes>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Extreme Performance Summer
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Size: 185/60R14 82H
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> And as far as 195 or 205/50-15's go, I think we can thank the early
>>> >>>> Miata crowd for keeping the manufacturers pumping out a good supply
>>> of them.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
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