Current make/model successors to B13

Sat Mar 17 14:38:59 CDT 2012

True that it's not like an SE-R in that it's not a practical shoebox that's
a hoot to drive, but the Miata is just fantastic as an afforable,
approachable sports car. One of my best friends has a 1998 that he bought
new, base trim with the sport package, that is just endlessly enjoyable to
drive. I have dibs on the car if I want it and if I didn't already have a
2-seat convertible and didn't need another car about as much as a hole in
the head, I'd have bought it already.

David

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Fancher, Jim <Jim.Fancher at mcfa.com> wrote:

>  Laugh if you must, but the Miata is on my list of favorite cars. I've
> always wanted one. I'd rather find a nice S2000. Now those look like a
> blast, but I've never driven one.
>
>
>
>
>  *From*: Benjamin Rockwell [mailto:benjamin_rockwell at yahoo.com]
> *Sent*: Saturday, March 17, 2012 01:40 PM
> *To*: se-r at se-r-list.org <se-r at se-r-list.org>
> *Subject*: Re: Current make/model successors to B13
>
>  I hate to say it, but if you want a car that has a similar, if not
> better, driving experience, an MX-5/Miata (the poodle car for the old
> timers) may be it. It has some low end grunt, handles amazingly and the
> shifter is a shorty from the factory. Mazda has done a pretty good job at
> keeping it from becoming bloated as most other models have as they
> modernized.
>
> Ben
>
>  On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Kieran A. Lavin <kieran at kieranlavin.com
> > wrote:
>
>> You have to take what the automotive journalists say with a grain of
>> salt.  Ray and I overheard journalists at the NY Autoshow when the GTR
>> first came out talking about how great the v8 under the hood is!  It's
>> their JOB and they still don't have a clue
>>
>>
>> kieran
>>
>>  ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ivan Chou" <chou.ivan at gmail.com>
>>  Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2012 10:18 pm
>> Subject: Current make/model successors to B13
>>  To: "se-r at se-r-list.org" <se-r at se-r-list.org>
>>
>>   Great suggestions.  The Mini Cooper base might be a tad slow with a
>> 0-60 mph of around 8.4 seconds (according to Edmunds).  The Ford Focus ST
>> specs look great, and I love how far Ford has come around in the past 20-30
>> years. The Civic Si fits the criteria pretty well.  I've read that the
>> current model is a bit boring but I realize the journalists are comparing
>> to the stiffer, 7800 RPM redline Si's of the past (which they criticized
>> for having little off-the-line torque).  All told though, I think there
>> isn't anything worthy to serve as spiritual successor (yet).  :(
>>
>>  Looks like fun - Ford Focus ST first drive:
>> http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-focus-st-first-ride-feature
>>
>>
>> Ivan
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Benjamin Rockwell <
>> benjamin_rockwell at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The upcoming Ford Focus ST...http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/focusst/
>>>
>>> Ford has come a long way since the B13 days. If you can get past the
>>> racer boy styling, it fits the punch list pretty well.
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Ivan Chou <chou.ivan at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Great thread, though we've gotten far away from the original NX2000
>>>> price question. :)
>>>>
>>>>  if I may ask, what are folks' opinions of a current spiritual
>>>> successor?  Something that continues on from the original BMW 2002 / Datsun
>>>> 510 criteria - economy pricing, sporty, sips gas, deceptively quick /
>>>> stealthy looking.  Finally there are the "just right" criteria with the
>>>> driving experience.  I'm talking about buttery shifts, nice seats, and
>>>> SR20-like power band (I really miss the 3rd gear 4000-7500 RPM feel at
>>>> WOT).
>>>>
>>>>  To me, the closest thing is the Mazda3 sedan, and that's not saying
>>>> much.  If we include hatches, maybe the something like the Mini Cooper S
>>>> would apply, though they are relatively underpowered compared to vehicles
>>>> in equivalent model years (for those who don't keep tabs, most newer
>>>> minivans can do 0-60 mph in 7.x seconds!).  I've seen long-time list
>>>> members with cars like the Mazdaspeed3 and Lancer Evo, but these aren't
>>>> econoboxes, and don't have good fuel economy.  Is it so hard for car
>>>> companies to replicate the formula?  Or maybe just not profitable?
>>>>
>>>> The upcoming 2013 Subaru BR-Z / Scion FR-S probably have the right
>>>> specs, but they are way too flashy for me.
>>>>
>>>>  Ivan
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM, <wc701lists at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/13/2012 6:57 AM, Greg Amy wrote:
>>>>> > The Acura RSX-R is what the NX2000 *could* have been, had Nissan
>>>>> > delivered it to the USA with the SR20VE, a 6-speed, and a decent
>>>>> > interior.
>>>>>
>>>>> They changed the 2005 & 06 RSX "Type S" models a lot, and they were
>>>>> basically identical with the "R" in other countries.  The 1991 & 92
>>>>> SE-R
>>>>> seats were superb, and Car & Driver called them the "best ever" in a
>>>>> production car till the Acura NSX (not RSX) came out.  One C&D writer
>>>>> even bitched they were "over bolstered" - this from the mag' that
>>>>> constantly complained about seats lacking lateral support.  The NX2k
>>>>> seats were not as great, but I have no gripes about the interior of the
>>>>> B13 SE-R & NX nor the RSX.  The classy yet austere interior of the RSX
>>>>> was a lot of was sold me on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Wayne
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