The Gen 1's were very low, especially in the rear. The Gen 2's give a drop very close to ProKits, but because of the high rate, there's no pogoing, and no crashing into the bumpstops. I've got lots of pics here; http://www.sr20deforum.com/chris/springs Cheers, Chris > Brian Cembor > My car, on stock susp, was parked next to his and you can > barely tell a difference in ride height at a casual glance.