Current make/model successors to B13
Ben Fenner
fenfam at sc.rr.com
Fri Apr 20 19:07:31 CDT 2012
Geo I think you have the Miata handling and S2000 handling mixed up. No
doubt the Miata is a great sports car, but the S2k seems to have it beat
in just about every area, including handling. I agree neither can be
counted as the spiritual successor since they are RWD and not pedestrian
enough. There have been spiritual successors to the SE-R throughout the
years, but I don't think any of them have captured all of the magic, if
you know what I mean. You might say the [Neon] SRT-4 was close, and if
the Acura RSX-S were cheaper maybe that too... But nothing will be the same.
That's funny about the M Roaster talk... I just picked up this new daily
driver:
http://listings.mcoupebuyersguide.com/images/LC62163-08.jpg
After a long search, I'm finally in the daily driver of my dreams.
-Ben Fenner
1994 Black SE-R
2000 Black M-Coupe
On 3/17/2012 4:17 PM, George Roffe wrote:
> Try an M Roadster. The S52 version (E36 M3 engine) has the same hp
> with lots of torque. The S54 version (E46 M3 engine) is a monster.
> The Z3 is a great platform. Doesn't handle a well as a Miata (what
> does?) but I'll bet it handles as well as an S2000.
>
> Geo
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 17, 2012, at 2:33 PM, "Fancher, Jim" <Jim.Fancher at MCFA.COM
> <mailto:Jim.Fancher at MCFA.COM>> wrote:
>
>> Laugh if you must, but the Miata is on my list of favorite cars. I've
>> always wanted one. I'd rather find a nice S2000. Now those look like
>> a blast, but I've never driven one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From*: Benjamin Rockwell [mailto:benjamin_rockwell at yahoo.com]
>> *Sent*: Saturday, March 17, 2012 01:40 PM
>> *To*: se-r at se-r-list.org <mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org>
>> <se-r at se-r-list.org <mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>> *Subject*: Re: Current make/model successors to B13
>>
>> I hate to say it, but if you want a car that has a similar, if not
>> better, driving experience, an MX-5/Miata (the poodle car for the old
>> timers) may be it. It has some low end grunt, handles amazingly and
>> the shifter is a shorty from the factory. Mazda has done a pretty
>> good job at keeping it from becoming bloated as most other models
>> have as they modernized.
>> Ben
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Kieran A. Lavin
>> <kieran at kieranlavin.com <mailto:kieran at kieranlavin.com>> wrote:
>>
>> You have to take what the automotive journalists say with a grain
>> of salt. Ray and I overheard journalists at the NY Autoshow when
>> the GTR first came out talking about how great the v8 under the
>> hood is! It's their JOB and they still don't have a clue
>>
>>
>> kieran
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Ivan Chou" <chou.ivan at gmail.com <mailto:chou.ivan at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2012 10:18 pm
>> Subject: Current make/model successors to B13
>> To: "se-r at se-r-list.org <mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org>"
>> <se-r at se-r-list.org <mailto:se-r at se-r-list.org>>
>>
>> Great suggestions. The Mini Cooper base might be a tad slow with
>> a 0-60 mph of around 8.4 seconds (according to Edmunds). The
>> Ford Focus ST specs look great, and I love how far Ford has come
>> around in the past 20-30 years. The Civic Si fits the criteria
>> pretty well. I've read that the current model is a bit boring
>> but I realize the journalists are comparing to the stiffer, 7800
>> RPM redline Si's of the past (which they criticized for having
>> little off-the-line torque). All told though, I think there
>> isn't anything worthy to serve as spiritual successor (yet). :(
>>
>> Looks like fun - Ford Focus ST first drive:
>> <http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-focus-st-first-ride-feature>http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-focus-st-first-ride-feature
>>
>>
>> Ivan
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Benjamin Rockwell
>> <benjamin_rockwell at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:benjamin_rockwell at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> The upcoming Ford Focus
>> ST...http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/focusst/
>>
>> Ford has come a long way since the B13 days. If you can get
>> past the racer boy styling, it fits the punch list pretty well.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Ivan Chou
>> <chou.ivan at gmail.com <mailto:chou.ivan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Great thread, though we've gotten far away from the
>> original NX2000 price question. :)
>>
>> if I may ask, what are folks' opinions of a current
>> spiritual successor? Something that continues on from
>> the original BMW 2002 / Datsun 510 criteria - economy
>> pricing, sporty, sips gas, deceptively quick / stealthy
>> looking. Finally there are the "just right" criteria
>> with the driving experience. I'm talking about buttery
>> shifts, nice seats, and SR20-like power band (I really
>> miss the 3rd gear 4000-7500 RPM feel at WOT).
>>
>> To me, the closest thing is the Mazda3 sedan, and that's
>> not saying much. If we include hatches, maybe the
>> something like the Mini Cooper S would apply, though they
>> are relatively underpowered compared to vehicles in
>> equivalent model years (for those who don't keep tabs,
>> most newer minivans can do 0-60 mph in 7.x seconds!).
>> I've seen long-time list members with cars like the
>> Mazdaspeed3 and Lancer Evo, but these aren't econoboxes,
>> and don't have good fuel economy. Is it so hard for car
>> companies to replicate the formula? Or maybe just not
>> profitable?
>>
>> The upcoming 2013 Subaru BR-Z / Scion FR-S probably have
>> the right specs, but they are way too flashy for me.
>>
>> Ivan
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM,
>> <wc701lists at bellsouth.net
>> <mailto:wc701lists at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>
>> On 3/13/2012 6:57 AM, Greg Amy wrote:
>> > The Acura RSX-R is what the NX2000 *could* have
>> been, had Nissan
>> > delivered it to the USA with the SR20VE, a 6-speed,
>> and a decent
>> > interior.
>>
>> They changed the 2005 & 06 RSX "Type S" models a lot,
>> and they were
>> basically identical with the "R" in other countries.
>> The 1991 & 92 SE-R
>> seats were superb, and Car & Driver called them the
>> "best ever" in a
>> production car till the Acura NSX (not RSX) came out.
>> One C&D writer
>> even bitched they were "over bolstered" - this from
>> the mag' that
>> constantly complained about seats lacking lateral
>> support. The NX2k
>> seats were not as great, but I have no gripes about
>> the interior of the
>> B13 SE-R & NX nor the RSX. The classy yet austere
>> interior of the RSX
>> was a lot of was sold me on it.
>>
>> -Wayne
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