Current make/model successors to B13

Benjamin Rockwell benjamin_rockwell at
Sat Mar 17 13:40:25 CDT 2012

I hate to say it, but if you want a car that has a similar, if not better,
driving experience, an MX-5/Miata (the poodle car for the old timers) may
be it. It has some low end grunt, handles amazingly and the shifter is a
shorty from the factory. Mazda has done a pretty good job at keeping it
from becoming bloated as most other models have as they modernized.


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Kieran A. Lavin <kieran at>wrote:

>  You have to take what the automotive journalists say with a grain of
> salt.  Ray and I overheard journalists at the NY Autoshow when the GTR
> first came out talking about how great the v8 under the hood is!  It's
> their JOB and they still don't have a clue
> kieran
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> From: "Ivan Chou" <chou.ivan at>
> Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2012 10:18 pm
> Subject: Current make/model successors to B13
> To: "se-r at" <se-r at>
>  Great suggestions.  The Mini Cooper base might be a tad slow with a 0-60
> mph of around 8.4 seconds (according to Edmunds).  The Ford Focus ST specs
> look great, and I love how far Ford has come around in the past 20-30
> years. The Civic Si fits the criteria pretty well.  I've read that the
> current model is a bit boring but I realize the journalists are comparing
> to the stiffer, 7800 RPM redline Si's of the past (which they criticized
> for having little off-the-line torque).  All told though, I think there
> isn't anything worthy to serve as spiritual successor (yet).  :(
>  Looks like fun - Ford Focus ST first drive:
> Ivan
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Benjamin Rockwell <
> benjamin_rockwell at> wrote:
>> The upcoming Ford Focus ST...
>> Ford has come a long way since the B13 days. If you can get past the
>> racer boy styling, it fits the punch list pretty well.
>>   On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Ivan Chou <chou.ivan at>wrote:
>>>  Great thread, though we've gotten far away from the original NX2000
>>> price question. :)
>>>  if I may ask, what are folks' opinions of a current spiritual
>>> successor?  Something that continues on from the original BMW 2002 / Datsun
>>> 510 criteria - economy pricing, sporty, sips gas, deceptively quick /
>>> stealthy looking.  Finally there are the "just right" criteria with the
>>> driving experience.  I'm talking about buttery shifts, nice seats, and
>>> SR20-like power band (I really miss the 3rd gear 4000-7500 RPM feel at
>>> WOT).
>>>  To me, the closest thing is the Mazda3 sedan, and that's not saying
>>> much.  If we include hatches, maybe the something like the Mini Cooper S
>>> would apply, though they are relatively underpowered compared to vehicles
>>> in equivalent model years (for those who don't keep tabs, most newer
>>> minivans can do 0-60 mph in 7.x seconds!).  I've seen long-time list
>>> members with cars like the Mazdaspeed3 and Lancer Evo, but these aren't
>>> econoboxes, and don't have good fuel economy.  Is it so hard for car
>>> companies to replicate the formula?  Or maybe just not profitable?
>>> The upcoming 2013 Subaru BR-Z / Scion FR-S probably have the right
>>> specs, but they are way too flashy for me.
>>>  Ivan
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM, <wc701lists at> wrote:
>>>> On 3/13/2012 6:57 AM, Greg Amy wrote:
>>>> > The Acura RSX-R is what the NX2000 *could* have been, had Nissan
>>>> > delivered it to the USA with the SR20VE, a 6-speed, and a decent
>>>> > interior.
>>>> They changed the 2005 & 06 RSX "Type S" models a lot, and they were
>>>> basically identical with the "R" in other countries.  The 1991 & 92 SE-R
>>>> seats were superb, and Car & Driver called them the "best ever" in a
>>>> production car till the Acura NSX (not RSX) came out.  One C&D writer
>>>> even bitched they were "over bolstered" - this from the mag' that
>>>> constantly complained about seats lacking lateral support.  The NX2k
>>>> seats were not as great, but I have no gripes about the interior of the
>>>> B13 SE-R & NX nor the RSX.  The classy yet austere interior of the RSX
>>>> was a lot of was sold me on it.
>>>> -Wayne
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