Yes it was. I didn't lose traction that bad either. Just wanted to let the people who can't afford the extra set of snow tires know. I'm gonna go my 2nd winter on them. I do tend to take things personally. My fault. :) Chrissy 96 200SX SE-R > Was part of that experience driving in snow? If it was, then you are a > major exception to the rule that 712's suck in the snow.