In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:24:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, MA@legacypartners.com writes: > That last factor is dependant on whether or not > the bar is solid or hollow. That could be why > the Stillen one is so much thicker - maybe > it's hollow? Just speculating there. i would bet that the bar is hollow. i have the stillen arb on my p11 g20, and it's hollow. love it. steve